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Can we stop with the 'professional'?

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29 March 2012 11:46
Vas
Model


I was just reading a thread created by a model who had unfortunately worked with a creepy and disrepectful photographer. What surprises me is that so many people call this 'unprofessional' and tell others that they, in contrast, are 'professional' in their conduct.

Can we please use other words here? Professional has nothing to do with anything here - it doesn't matter whether you're in a professional environment or not, the rules don't change. I don't class basic decency as professionalism.

So how about using:
Decent
Respectful
Polite
Reasonable
Civil
Considerate
Gracious
Courteous
Thoughtful

Or any of the other words that actually apply to a situation where, in most instances, neither of the people involved are actually professionals but still act like decent human beings.

/rant


JohnEnger is off-line
29 March 2012 11:51
kjoleweb
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kjoleweb
Location
Europe
Norway


Yay!




Wish the "professionals" who actually are hobbyists would update their profiles too..



Catchlites Glamour is off-linePlatinum Member
29 March 2012 11:55
Badger
Photographer
Badger
Location
United Kingdom
Somerset
Weston super Mare

Quote from Vas
I was just reading a thread created by a model who had unfortunately worked with a creepy and disrepectful photographer. What surprises me is that so many people call this 'unprofessional' and tell others that they, in contrast, are 'professional' in their conduct.

Can we please use other words here? Professional has nothing to do with anything here - it doesn't matter whether you're in a professional environment or not, the rules don't change. I don't class basic decency as professionalism.

So how about using:
Decent
Respectful
Polite
Reasonable
Civil
Considerate
Gracious
Courteous
Thoughtful

Or any of the other words that actually apply to a situation where, in most instances, neither of the people involved are actually professionals but still act like decent human beings.

/rant



It's not often I agree with you, but I am with you 100% on this.
A wise man changes his mind, a fool, never.


Paul Hodson is online
29 March 2012 12:32
mph
Photographer
mph
Location
United Kingdom
Cheshire
Crewe

Quote from Vas
I was just reading a thread created by a model who had unfortunately worked with a creepy and disrepectful photographer. What surprises me is that so many people call this 'unprofessional' and tell others that they, in contrast, are 'professional' in their conduct.

Can we please use other words here? Professional has nothing to do with anything here - it doesn't matter whether you're in a professional environment or not, the rules don't change. I don't class basic decency as professionalism.

So how about using:
Decent
Respectful
Polite
Reasonable
Civil
Considerate
Gracious
Courteous
Thoughtful

Or any of the other words that actually apply to a situation where, in most instances, neither of the people involved are actually professionals but still act like decent human beings.

/rant



+1
Amateur - happy to do TF with models with potential and enthusiasm. Website: www.mphodson.co.uk


Marco Palmese is onlineSilver Member
29 March 2012 13:55
Riverside_Studio
Studio
Riverside_Studio
Location
United Kingdom
Kent
Maidstone

Quote from kjoleweb
Yay!




Wish the "professionals" who actually are hobbyists would update their profiles too..





+ 2


Tempus Fugit is off-lineSilver Member
29 March 2012 14:10
pinkbuildingphotography
Photographer
pinkbuildingphotography
Location
United Kingdom
Tayside


Quote from Vas
I was just reading a thread created by a model who had unfortunately worked with a creepy and disrepectful photographer. What surprises me is that so many people call this 'unprofessional' and tell others that they, in contrast, are 'professional' in their conduct.

Can we please use other words here? Professional has nothing to do with anything here - it doesn't matter whether you're in a professional environment or not, the rules don't change. I don't class basic decency as professionalism.

So how about using:
Decent
Respectful
Polite
Reasonable
Civil
Considerate
Gracious
Courteous
Thoughtful

Or any of the other words that actually apply to a situation where, in most instances, neither of the people involved are actually professionals but still act like decent human beings.

/rant



A agree with you Vas.
Hope you don't mind but I am going to plagerise these words.
Riding on the Gotterdammerung. Down and down she goes. Where she stops no one knows.


29 March 2012 14:21
nicoleeee
Model


With you 100% of the way!!
looking for creative minds in the south west, message me if that sounds like you!


Matt Harper is off-line
29 March 2012 14:29
mattharper
Photographer
mattharper
Location
United Kingdom
Devon
Paignton

I often moan about the use of the word professional when used as a description of behaviour.
Respect and decency are what matter, no fancy words needed for that.
Comfort and safety should be taken for granted, sadly, this isn't always the case but that has nothing to do with professionalism.
One of the best photographers on here was outed recently for being far, far from decent, the title has nothing to do with behaviour and that is where the confusion reigns






29 March 2012 14:38
spikey19872007
Photographer


Quote from Vas
I was just reading a thread created by a model who had unfortunately worked with a creepy and disrepectful photographer. What surprises me is that so many people call this 'unprofessional' and tell others that they, in contrast, are 'professional' in their conduct.

Can we please use other words here? Professional has nothing to do with anything here - it doesn't matter whether you're in a professional environment or not, the rules don't change. I don't class basic decency as professionalism.

So how about using:
Decent
Respectful
Polite
Reasonable
Civil
Considerate
Gracious
Courteous
Thoughtful

Or any of the other words that actually apply to a situation where, in most instances, neither of the people involved are actually professionals but still act like decent human beings.

/rant



+ what ever number we are on.
I don't bite, that's the dogs job. www.barrydawsonphotography.co.uk


Ken Pegg is off-line
29 March 2012 15:06
kenp
Photographer
kenp
Location
United Kingdom
Dorset
Weymouth

Claims of 'professionalism' are like claims to 'GSOH', they usually signify the very opposite.



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