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 | 23 May 2012 06:53 |
| opalapertures Photographer  Location United Kingdom Greater Manchester Stockport | Hi all, just wondering what the consensus is on model booking timings? If you book a model for 2hrs is that generally shooting time or should you expect makeup etc to be part of that? Or is it just down to individual arrangements? Cheers! |
 | 23 May 2012 07:00 |
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| Socialdisaster Photographer  Location United Kingdom Cambridgeshire Cambridge | I do, 2hrs for it all, unless they offer to turn up with it done. And yes, I factor that into the time I need to actually do the shoot, so I don't underbudget on time. | |
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| 23 May 2012 07:02 |
| 1919_Images Photographer Location United Kingdom West Midlands Solihull | Make up time should be included, if theyre doing their own hair/make up and only travelling a short distance I'd expect them to arrive with it mostly done, if you've hired a MUA then that is part of the shoot time. |
 | 23 May 2012 07:04 |
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| Tansy_Blue Model  Location United Kingdom London Harrow | I think that billable time starts when I enter the studio and ends when I leave the studio. (Location is a bit different and does depend on circumstance.) Make up is something I'm doing specifically for the shoot - it's an intrinsic part of the shoot and the time I spend doing it is time I am spending working (or the time the MUA spends doing it). Same for outfit changes. Reasonable breaks (say 10 minutes every two hours, maybe a bit less if it's a very chilled out shoot, maybe a bit more on a very strenuous shoot) are also billable, in the same way that when I worked as a waitress I didn't clock out at break time. |
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| "The poetic, the scientific, the erotic - why should the imagination care which master it serves?" - Ian McEwan | ||
 | 23 May 2012 07:05 |
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| TeddyB Photographer  Location United Kingdom West Sussex Haywards Heath |  Quote from opalaperturesOr is it just down to individual arrangements? You have answered your own question. When you send the model the full booking details, tell her then. Is it 2 hours and she has to arrive with her make-up already done, so you can start straight away. Or does she arrive without make-up on and you will give the beginning part of those 2 hours, to do her make-up in. Ted.  |
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| 23 May 2012 07:10 |
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| Tansy_Blue Model Location United Kingdom London Harrow | I was going to add to mine - If you're very concerned about this it's best to make it clear in pre-shoot comms how you want the model to show up and if you're prepared to pay for make up time.  I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not good enough at make up for it to stand a 2 hour journey without getting a little smudged and tired, so I would discourage a photographer from asking me to show up with make up on; better results if I can do it on set. |
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| "The poetic, the scientific, the erotic - why should the imagination care which master it serves?" - Ian McEwan | ||
| 23 May 2012 16:07 |
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| skymouse Photographer  Location United Kingdom London London | Quote from opalapertures Hi all, just wondering what the consensus is on model booking timings? If you book a model for 2hrs is that generally shooting time or should you expect makeup etc to be part of that? Or is it just down to individual arrangements? Cheers! It's whatever the model and the photographer agree it to mean. At the end of the day a model gets paid a certain amount of dosh for doing certain stuff. How you break that down on paper doesn't matter, as long as everyone concerned knows where they're supposed to be, when they're supposed to be there, what they're supposed to do, and how much their fee is altogether. BTW FWIW, although an "hourly rate" is kind of a purely imaginary construct as far as I'm concerned (since I'm not paying a model for her time!!!!) for convenience of planning I'll usually arrange a "full day shoot" to mean we stop filming 8 hours after we start filming. Also, I'll often talk of an "x-hour" shoot. But that's got nothing to do with hourly rates or makeup, it's just how long we're shooting for so the model can confidently plan her travel and other daily matters. I leave it to the model to work out how much sooner than the shoot she needs to arrive in order to do her makeup, as she is the better judge on how long that will take. |
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| 23 May 2012 16:21 |
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| ph_oto Photographer  Location United Kingdom South Yorkshire Barnsley | I usually make bookings at least 4 hrs and that will include make up and changes with a 15 min cuppa break at mid point if the model wants one, although most seem to be OK with bottled water or similar to sip at during the shoot. On some occasions models have had a 2hr each way train ride to get to me for a 4 hr shoot so the last thing I'm going to do is clock watch or niggle about timings. |
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| 24 May 2012 06:37 |
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| SoftGentle Model  Location United Kingdom Greater Manchester Leigh | i dont clock watch never have. I say 2 hrs shooting, e.g. Camera in hand. And if i do my makeup etc i do that extra time. Doesnt bother me in the slightest. | |
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| 27 May 2012 17:55 |
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| DragonGraffix Photographer Location United Kingdom Hampshire Portsmouth | Quote from SoftGentle i dont clock watch never have. I say 2 hrs shooting, e.g. Camera in hand. And if i do my makeup etc i do that extra time. Doesnt bother me in the slightest. I personally think that that is a very good attitude to have, especially from a business point of view. Most, customers like a deal, they like value for money, and they like discount, within all sectors of the retail/service industry. When I have been involved in projects that have involved paying models, I have observed that some will work to exact time, insist on breaks after an exact period of time, irrespective that they are midway through a set. They have the right to do this, and I am not questioning it at all. Other models are far more flexible, will work until the job gets done, even though it may be over their 'booking time'. This is their choice and they are not expected to do it. Now, when it comes to booking a model for another assignment, or recommending them for another client, it is always the latter that is first on the list. Their more work friendly attitude benefits them for future work. It is the same for many photographers, especially those working in the domestic market. You give something for free, or something unexpected, and often you get rebookings. In my experience this has included, among other things, doing a 90 minute photoshoot instead of the agreed 60 minute (even though I drank tea and chatted for about 20 minutes), and also giving 50 photographs when I agreed 30 photographs (it did not take me that much longer by batch editing). This has resulted in further bookings and recommendations. Now some may say that giving away freebees (be it time or products) may be undervaluing us as models or photographers. You may have a valid point. However, if modelling/photographing is a business, then methods then get you more work, even though you may be investing previously to get that work, makes good business sense! |
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| "Beauty is how you feel inside, and it reflects in your eyes. It is not something physical." - Sophia Loren | ||
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