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Dave Williamson is off-lineGold Member
15 January 2017 05:48
Rhadamanthus
Photographer

Location
United Kingdom
South Yorkshire
Sheffield

Hi all

I'm currently planning an 8 hr shoot and was discussing this with a fellow photographer (not on here) when he asked if I had a shoot with this model before. When I replied no he said that he wouldn't consider such such a long shoot with someone he had not worked with before. Now that wasn't something that had occurred to me before possibly because I have never met a model that I wished I hadn't booked. I should mention the model in question was well established with plenty of references and that it was a studio shoot. It also occurred to me that a models may have similar reservations about an 8hr shoot with a photographer that she has not worked with before.

So models and photographers what do you feel about accepting/offering an 8 hour studio shoot from/ to someone with whom you have not worked before, assuming they are established with good references

I would be interested to hear your views.

Dave


redbaron is off-lineSilver Member
15 January 2017 05:59
redbaron
Photographer
redbaron
Location
United Kingdom
Buckinghamshire
Stoke Mandeville

Presumably you have sets worked out to fill the day and you are confident the models has the look you need so what is the problem? The only time I can see an issue is where the photographer perhaps lacks the experience to control the shoot and nail the sets they are after.

Most genuinely experienced models do have their pat routine of poses for the genre they prefer, which can be handy to fill odd moments you go blank or where the photographer has no posing experience or ideas. That can be an issue if they are not the poses you are after and you do not have the confidence to break the flow to get the poses you want.

If the model had reservations I assume they would not take the booking from you. Otherwise they are there to do a job of work.
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Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
15 January 2017 07:00
RedChecker
Photographer
RedChecker
Location
United Kingdom
Buckinghamshire
Stoke Mandeville

Why would 8 hours, as opposed to any other time be of any different concern when it comes to a strange photographer? Surely if he's iffy, then any amount of time's going to be a problem (at least that's how I'm interpreting the OP's post).

If it's concerning breaks, I'd imagine a lot it depends on the style of photography shot. So for example, if it's shooting with a commercial glamour/adult photographer shooting sets for publication I'd imagine the pace would be fairly heavy (though hopefully reflected by the pay). I'd also expect art-photographers to fart around a lot more, giving the model more down time between shoots. Of course there's no hard/fast rule though.

As for me, I've shot lots of full-day shoots (though usually 6 hours) with models I've never met before and there's plenty of breaks in between setting lights up and moving around and it's always been fine. And also there's plenty of nibbles & drink on tap. Due to my fitness levels it's always me that gets exhausted rather than any model I've shot with.
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Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
15 January 2017 07:02
RedChecker
Photographer
RedChecker
Location
United Kingdom
Buckinghamshire
Stoke Mandeville

And... if the model's experienced there shouldn't be problems from her end.

It's worth noting that 8 hours indoors in a comfy environment is also very different to 8 hours outdoors when it's not great weather (be it too cold or hot).
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David Hunt is off-line
15 January 2017 07:43
dhuntuk
Photographer

Location
United Kingdom
Surrey
Camberley

I personally would not book a model for a full day event at a studio without having worked with them first. Well, unless they are called Joceline, I would not.

There are plenty of 'Professional' models that I have worked in a studio and promised myself that I would neither book them again nor recommend them to anyone who asked.

Despite having directly contacted some models and agreed the levels and style of the shoot, there have been many who have either changed their mind (They wait for you to setup before telling you) about levels being more implied or that they are on they period and that this somehow effects our agreement.



Bill Haley is off-lineSilver Member
15 January 2017 09:15
pompeytog
Photographer
pompeytog
Location
United Kingdom
Hampshire
Portsmouth

I normally book for about 4 hours due to cost etc. In almost every case I wished I could afford to shoot for longer.

Having said that, I don't normally get my camera out of the bag for the first 30 mins to an hour. I'm very relaxed about my shoots and like to chat over a cuppa and a fag before we get started. In that time I'm seeing the model's facial expressions, her personality and her mannerisms. I want to get to see the real her and be completely chilled before we start to shoot.

I do of course understand that you probably can't do that if you are shooting for a client, but being a total hobbyist I like to take my time.
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Bob is off-linePlatinum Member
15 January 2017 10:02
Bob
Photographer
Bob
Location
United Kingdom
Devon
Honiton

Quote from Rhadamanthus
Hi all I'm currently planning an 8 hr shoot and was discussing this with a fellow photographer (not on here) when he asked if I had a shoot with this model before. When I replied no he said that he wouldn't consider such such a long shoot with someone he had not worked with before.


What the other guy would consider is really of little consequence as it is what you and the model are happy with that counts.

Personally, I would not book a model for an eight hour studio shoot as there is no way I could envision photographing for eight hours constrained by a single location (unless I was producing a day's worth of commercial strip / porn sets requiring just a change of sheets and props inbetween) but I know others who like a shoot to last for a day.

However I have shot many models, in short bursts, pretty much from dawn until dusk over three to seven days on overseas trips, which I am sure plenty other photographers would not contemplate. I had either previously worked with many of these models or at least met up over coffee beforehand to discuss details, but a few telephone chats with a couple of the highly experienced ones were sufficient to put our minds at rest that we were on the same wavelength. We all have different ways of working, so don't let anyone else unduly influence yours.

If the model you are planning to use is on the circuit and regularly shooting all day in a studio environment, and if you believe you have enough ideas and stamina to last the day, just go for it.

Bob










Paul Hodson is off-line
16 January 2017 11:01
mph
Photographer
mph
Location
United Kingdom
Cheshire
Crewe

Quote from RedChecker
Why would 8 hours, as opposed to any other time be of any different concern when it comes to a strange photographer?



Because if one of you thinks the other is a pain in the arse - it'll be a bloody long day! 
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Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
16 January 2017 11:43
RedChecker
Photographer
RedChecker
Location
United Kingdom
Buckinghamshire
Stoke Mandeville

Quote from mph
Because if one of you thinks the other is a pain in the arse - it'll be a bloody long day! 



Ah yes, I've heard from models that they'd wished certain shoots in the past were a lot shorter with some photographers surprise
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Moorlane is off-line
17 January 2017 15:14
Moorlane
Photographer

Location
United Kingdom
Greater Manchester


Im trying to understand why 8 hours is so important



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